The Rivadavia that vanished into thin air

[Rein]

Registered letter to Köln - 12.12.1956:



The 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho, on Zárate paper, type C:





Type C was issued in 1956 probably.

The 20c Brown in offset-litho, on Zárate paper, type A:



Type A was issued on 30.11.1956 so the date of 12.12.1956 is quite early!

[Rein]

Early cancellations for the 10c Rivadavia in typography on coated paper with an orthogonal watermark and a symmetrical paper mesh - official day of issue: 20.03.1939; here 12.04.1939!




Early cancellations for the 5c Moreno in typography on coated paper with an orthogonal watermark and a symmetrical paper mesh - first day of printing (Tenorio Casal): 05.04.1939; here xx.02.1939! !!!!!

[Rein]

Theoretically the first type of paper of the 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho - 1942 - but in fact utmost scarce, not even MINT copies are known

Type A: Symmetrical paper mesh, orthogonal watermark, "papel Holandés"







the Servicio Oficial version is more common

S.O. in offset-litho:

Why all references point to 1942????

Look at the Servicio Oficial stamps!

August 8th, 1940 !!!!!





RC2090

[Rein]

Trying to establish a possible "base block" we are looking for characteristiscs that repeat them self and how regular ...

The 5c Moreno in typography, type A, we have discussed a little bit, in due course we'll continue that.

The 10c Rivadavia - certainly the typographed one - is full of characteristics in that respect that the sheet-fed stamps have some sort of base block, the reel-fed stamps do NOT have it! A sheet of 10x10 may have an unknown number of type II's AND type III's !

The 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho has yet to get studied. A first characteristic for type A has been found:








We will see that this characteristic is to be found in several positions with no system in it!!

to be continued ...

[Rein]

This stamp with the Tela paper [1E3c] shows the 2 described characteristic with yet another one:

[Rein]

A block of 30 [=5x6] of which the lower part only has the characteristics:



4th row, 3rd from the left:



6th row, 2nd from the left:



6th row, 4th from the left:

[Rein]

A strip of 6:



1st from the left:



3rd from the left:



5th from the left:

[Rein]

The distribution of the characteristics can not be explained by supposing a base block of 10 [5x2] of 25 [5x5] that has been multiplied in a step-and-repeat machine as was usual in making offset-litho plate [or photogravure cylinders].

A breach of a horizontal line may occur haphazardly but not alwayas accompanied by 2 other characteristics in the same design!

[Rein]

Getting back to the strip of 6:



1st from the left:



a feature not noticed before that can be absent in other copies I have!

[Rein]

A block of 30 [=5x6] of which the lower part only has the characteristics:



2th row, 2nd from the left:



2th row, 4th from the left:




rc2098

[Rein]

A few samples of the characteristics with or without the white spot at the right:

with spot:








without spot:






rc2100

[Rein]

Hola

Del Rivadavia castaño impreso en Tipografía, no tengo ejemplares con fechas de uso anteriores a las mostradas por Rubiera.

Sin embargo me he percatado de una diferencia de tamaño en los clisés que se usaron entre las primeras tiradas y las últimas. Los sellos de las últimas tiradas son de un castaño bien oscuro.
Los primeros son más grandes (en la parte impresa del sello)

Ejemplo: Estos 2 cuadritos, ambos en papel tizado.
A: El de la izquierda (color más "castaño rosado") la filigrana es rayos ondulados horizontal (sellos más grandes)
B: El de la derecha (color más oscuro) es la misma filigrana pero en sentido vertical (sellos más pequeños)



El sello suelto que aparece abajo es del "tipo B" y está mint. Es exactamente del mismo tamaño que sus hermanos "tipo B" del bloque de 4.

Ampliacion (aquí recorté franjas de los sellos del bloque B y los intercalé sobre el bloque A)





Algunos del tipo B que tengo matasellados tienen fechas de 1949.

Saludos
SOFICH -Filatelista compulsivo

Jorge,

the smaller size stamps have a new design that I used to call type IV - with the L-shaped appendix - issued in 1947!

When Leopoldo Tenorio Casal wrote his famous article on the typography definitives he probably had not been aware of a new printing of the 10c Rivadavia in chestnut. A new cylinder had been prepared with a new design.



As I wrote in the previous postings, the size of the 10c had changed constantly. This time the width has come down to 19.5 [the first 10c red was 21.0mm wide!]. A quick measuring of the word "Bernardino" will result in 5.8 [originally 6.2mm!] will help.



The more characteristic feaure is the "L" shaped appendix:

[Rein]

Los primeros de estos sellos que encuentro impresos por metodo offset son de 1941/42 y de tipo A (esquina del saco redondeada). Todos son de color castaño rojo. Los regulares parecen ser 1E3:










Los oficiales parecen ser 1E3 pero el papel es mas grueso, y la filigrana es un poco difusa.

Tony,

the regulars are on Tela = 1E3c, but your S.O. is on 1E4 - papel holandés - with a cancellation of April 2nd, 1941 !!!!!

saludos, Rein


rc 2102

[Rein]

The earlier referred to block of 30 [=5x6] does have more interesting characteristics than I had noticed at first:

1st row, 2nd from the left:





5th row, 5th from the left:





A total view:



As we can all see, there is still no logic in the arrangement of the characteristics. Had it been just the ruptures in the horizontal lines we could have called it coincidence, but there are always accompanying features!


rc2108

[Otin]

Rein,
De toda la informqción que ha estado enviando, saco en conclusion que Tenorio Casal estuvo doblemente equivocado:
a) el 10c Rivadavia castaño tipografiado fue emitido ANTES de noviembre de 1939; b) erró muy mal cuando dijo que primero
apareció en OFFSET. Si bien sus artículos ayudan en muchos aspectos en otros está completamente equivo9cado. Voy a tratar de sacar una fotocopia de un artículo referente al sello de 5c de la Revolución de 1943 ( Yv.425) donde se hace una tremenda confusión acerca de los tres papeles de ese sello.
En estos día estoy muy ocupado razón por la cual no he estado contestando pues tengo que finalizar mi presidencia de SOFIRA. No obstante le puedo dar la dirección de la compañía que me parece producía el papel sensitivo al calor de que le hablé antes. Es LIJNCO - PPC, Postbus 437 9700 AK Goningen.
En cuanto a los sellos tipografiados de 5 y 10 centavos. El Moreno, que tiene varias tiradas y no ha sido impreso en hojas
tengo pruebas ( las planchas completas o fragmentos) de que ha existido un grupo raíz (base Block) de 5 x 10 que ocupa la mitad izquierda de la plancha y se repite en la parte derecha. Esto se comprueba mirando el borde inferior de laq hoja cuando no tiene el sombreado completo. Se verá que el contorno de las irregularidades de la mitad izquierda se repiten en la derecha-
Una de las planchs del 10c Rivadvia rojo, tipo I, obviamente impresa en hojas, o sea en máquina plana´, muestra una
clara composición de 20 grupos de 5x2 sellos. Y en cuanto al 10c castaño de Rivadavia aquí ya conocíamos la existencia de los
dos tamaños.
Responderé in extenso tan pronto me sea posible. Saludos
Merlo