P&R I 40c Sugarcane
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P&R I 40c Sugarcane
These stamps were printed in 1945-47, and show very poor color control. Most of the other papers show a high degree of color control and for these latter papers, the color is a key component of the identification process. I begin with the 40c value:
Incidentally, I find that the 30cNGR is a very common stamp, the 20c Cattle is somewhat common, and all other large format values for this paper are at various degrees of rarity.
Incidentally, I find that the 30cNGR is a very common stamp, the 20c Cattle is somewhat common, and all other large format values for this paper are at various degrees of rarity.
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
A 40c1L2 block
This block does not have any plate varieties and is printed on the 1L2 paper.
This block does not have any plate varieties and is printed on the 1L2 paper.
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Was the 40c really issued January 1, 1936?
This cover dates from March 31,1937. It is the earliest cover I have for this stamp. I find it printed on the first paper (the 1E1). I do not have any used specimens dated earlier than this cover. The stamp came into use mostly for the 1.45 pesos rate from the late 1930s.
This cover dates from March 31,1937. It is the earliest cover I have for this stamp. I find it printed on the first paper (the 1E1). I do not have any used specimens dated earlier than this cover. The stamp came into use mostly for the 1.45 pesos rate from the late 1930s.
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Tony,rubiera escribió:These stamps were printed in 1945-47, and show very poor color control. Most of the other papers show a high degree of color control and for these latter papers, the color is a key component of the identification process. I begin with the 40c value:
Incidentally, I find that the 30cNGR is a very common stamp, the 20c Cattle is somewhat common, and all other large format values for this paper are at various degrees of rarity.
these stamps without watermark have a very clear pattern at the front! In a way, this is a transposed paper, although without the watermark! The paper comes from Zárate and can be easily confused with the 1954 Zárate papers WITH a watermark!
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
After having found the 50c Petroleo with the printing of the colours inverted, I started out looking for the other denominations in bicoloured offset-litho to have similar effects.
I did report the 20c, the 30c, the 5p and now let us have a look at the 40c Azucar:
I did report the 20c, the 30c, the 5p and now let us have a look at the 40c Azucar:
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Having noticed that new plates of the PyR I series often have new measurements, I compared an early 40c with a late one:
The old length of the name field was 14mm, the new one has 13.5mm (the long rectangle in which "Caña de Azucar").
The old length of the name field was 14mm, the new one has 13.5mm (the long rectangle in which "Caña de Azucar").
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Sergiostamps9407 » 01 Mar 2010 01:55 escribió:
Hola, para ver si voy entendiendo de esto quería verificar si este sello de 40c caña de azúcar es el mate importado rayado vertical o perpendicular.
Filigrana Sol Redondo RA - Posición M - Mate - MI5?
Es suficiente con esta foto?
Gracias
Sergio
Rayado vertical = parallel watermark with asymmetrical paper mesh, direction of paper horizontal;
filigrana paralel con malla asimitrica del papel, eje de enrollamiento horizontal
Red line - linea roja => rayado
Blue lines = lineas azules => malla asimitrica
Black line = linea negra => eje de enrollamiento
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Sergio,stamps9407 » 01 Mar 2010 08:15 escribió:
Rein,
Tomo eso por un SI?
Gracias
Sergio
YES =SI
Es Rayado vertical!!! Yes it is!
Rein
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Luis,
a simple question may need a more complicated answer. You can not recognize a "rayado vertical" unless you know what the "rayado" is about, the "vertical" refers to the line of AЯ being perpendicular (or vertical) to the "rayado" ....!
a simple question may need a more complicated answer. You can not recognize a "rayado vertical" unless you know what the "rayado" is about, the "vertical" refers to the line of AЯ being perpendicular (or vertical) to the "rayado" ....!
Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
The 401E2
This stamp is not as rare as the 2p1E2, but it is rare enough. Here are the ones I have found so far. The dark colors make separating this stamp from the 1E1/1E3 somewhat difficult.
This stamp is not as rare as the 2p1E2, but it is rare enough. Here are the ones I have found so far. The dark colors make separating this stamp from the 1E1/1E3 somewhat difficult.
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
For what it is worth!
My statistics as far as used stamps with Austriaco that I have - not counting the ministerials:
25c 34/1
30c 20
40c 22
50c 6/0
1p 58
2p 9
10p 4
20p 1
behind the "/" the "M" versions; all others are "m" [i.e.the direction of paper runs parallel to the short side of the stamp].
My statistics as far as used stamps with Austriaco that I have - not counting the ministerials:
25c 34/1
30c 20
40c 22
50c 6/0
1p 58
2p 9
10p 4
20p 1
behind the "/" the "M" versions; all others are "m" [i.e.the direction of paper runs parallel to the short side of the stamp].
Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Rein,
One of my guesses is that the selection available in Europe (where I assume you bought these stamps) is a better one for these stamps than the one available when buying from Argentina. I have found that the 1p stamps are not common in selections I have bought from Argentina, yet almost every cover out of the country to North America or Europe bears one and sometimes more....
tony
One of my guesses is that the selection available in Europe (where I assume you bought these stamps) is a better one for these stamps than the one available when buying from Argentina. I have found that the 1p stamps are not common in selections I have bought from Argentina, yet almost every cover out of the country to North America or Europe bears one and sometimes more....
tony
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
The 40c Sugarcane with brown fibers in the Wiggins Teape "Tela" paper - parallel watermark, symmetrical paper wire, density 24/22!
to be continued ...
to be continued ...
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
So far all the brown fibers are in papers supplied by Wiggins Teape from England!
Quite a surprise it is to find brown fibers in other papers as well!
Paper without watermark! Symmetrical paper wire, direction of paper horizontal!
to be continued ...
Quite a surprise it is to find brown fibers in other papers as well!
Paper without watermark! Symmetrical paper wire, direction of paper horizontal!
to be continued ...
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Re: P&R I 40c Sugarcane
Hello, may this stamp be SF3?
Sergio
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