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Have a good look at the "A" 's of "Rivadavia":

type A:



type B:



the second leg of the first "A" is shorter!

Looking in a completely different area of the stamps we see:



in type A;



in type B!


However, we do also find a yet different structure in what hitherto had thought to be type A!!!



Let's call it
type C

Type C had been printed on Zárate papers mainly, circa 1957 and later, but it is found also on Rayos Rectos Nitidos!!

Type C printed on Zárate papers in at least 2 variants, the asymmetrical paper mesh combined with the orthogonal watermark and the symmetrical paper mesh combined with the orthogonal watermark. The watermarks have the somewhat smaller Suns that are hard to distinguish. It is just as difficult to tell the asymmetrical [Bardi's ZA1 = rayado horizontal] apart from the symmetrical [Bardi's ZA2 = granulado vertical]. Most stamps can not be assigned to either of them, but are more likely to be the asymmetrical version.


A-symmetrical:





Symmetrical:





Uncertain:

Also for the Servicio Oficial version of type C printed on Zárate papers we find at least 2 variants.

Again the problem that it is very difficult to tell them apart.


Symmetrical:





Uncertain:

So far we have seen the early Zárate papers. All of 1956-1958 and having a vertical direction of paper. The paper itself is transposed i.e. the gummed side of the stamp is the felt side of the paper, the front of the stamp shows the missing fibres.

This phenomenon will be even stronger in the next printings that are all on paper with a horizontal direction of paper and with a much more visible front surface showing the missing fibres!

GOOGLE:

Hasta ahora hemos visto los papeles Zárate tempranos. Todos 1956-1958 y con una dirección vertical de papel. El papel es traspuesto, el lado del sello es el lado del fieltro del papel, la parte delantera del sello muestra las fibras que faltan.

Este fenómeno será aún más fuerte en los próximos impresiones que están todos con papel con una dirección horizontal de papel y con una superficie frontal mucho más visible que señale las fibras que faltan!

Symmetrical:





Asymmetrical:

Symmetrical:





Asymmetrical:

Type C - starting in 1956? - had been printed on all 4 types of papers as used by Dario BArdi in his catalogue of the PyR:

ZA1, ZA2, ZA3 and ZA4

both the "normal" version as the bicoloured Servicio Oficial stamps!

Apart from the Zárate papers, type C exist - as we have seen above - on Straight Ray - Rayos Rectos Nitidos!

The two other types of the 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho - type A [1942] and type B [1949] had been printed on Zárate paper, a fact we can not conclude from the Bardi catalogue as type C had not been known to him.

Chronologically the first edition of the 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho - 1942

Type A: Symmetrical paper mesh, parallel watermark, density 24/20, "TELA"




S.O. in offset-litho:





S.O. in typography:

Theoretically the first type of paper of the 10c Rivadavia in offset-litho - 1942 - but in fact utmost scarce, not even MINT copies are known

Type A: Symmetrical paper mesh, orthogonal watermark, "papel Holandés"







the Servicio Oficial version is more common

S.O. in offset-litho:

rubiera » Yesterday 19:47 escribió:
Los tipografiados 5c Moreno y 10c Castaño impresos en 1939

Aun no he podido clasificar estos sellos correctamente. Tienen la filigrana del Holandes (1E4) pero fueron usados en 1939.

Los sellos son tipogafiados. El papel es muy fino y tiene una capa semi-brillante sobre la parte el lado impreso. Puede casi ser un tizado, pero no lo es.

Aqui esta el 5c Moreno, mucho mas comun que el 10c Castaño.

Tony,

what is the date of the 5c???

I suspect it to be 1940 as it looks like the mate lustroso! No coating, but slightly calandered [satinado].

Tomorrow I will display a cover with both the 5c and the 10c in typography on coated paper used in July 1939!

The 5c in mate lustroso is not uncommon and having an orthogonal watermark is similar to the 1E4 [which has an orthogonal watermark as well and also a symmetrical paper mesh!]

rubiera » Yesterday 19:47 escribió:
Los tipografiados 5c Moreno y 10c Castaño impresos en 1939

Aun no he podido clasificar estos sellos correctamente. Tienen la filigrana del Holandes (1E4) pero fueron usados en 1939.

Los sellos son tipogafiados. El papel es muy fino y tiene una capa semi-brillante sobre la parte el lado impreso. Puede casi ser un tizado, pero no lo es.

Aqui esta uno usado en 1939.





Tira vertical de dos sellos.





Tira vertical de tres sellos.

Tony,

The 10c is coated with a symmetrical paper mesh and an orthogonal watermark just as the 10c I showed with a July 1939 postmark.

Registered letter to Leipzig - 17.07.1939:



The 10c Rivadavia in typography, coated paper, type III:







The 5c Moreno in typography, coated paper, type III:

The 10c printed on the Goebel reel-fed typography press with an in-line perforation device:






Notice the extremely thick lower teeth!!