Moderador: Rein
It seems almost a contradiction in terminis! Mate Lustroso!lustrous = made smooth and bright by or as if by rubbing; reflecting a sheen or glow
matt = not reflecting light; not glossy
So, what is this paper??? Does it only occur with stamps printed in typography?????1.7. Mate Lustroso
Se trata de un papel muy especial (por eso se lo ha dejado para el final de la descripción), tan especial que se desconoce de dónde salió su nombre, que respetamos exclusivamente para hacer honor a los usos y costumbres y no confundir al principiante, ya que en el ex Catálogo Petrovich aparece así denominado. En realidad se trata de un papel cuya superficie, no encapada, presenta un leve brillo característico de los satinados, razón por la cual hubiera sido más razonable llamarlo Mate Satinado. La trama es del tipo granulado perpendicular, cerrada, con filigrana difusa y mediano grosor. Se lo encuentra sólo en sellos con impresión tipografiada y su procedencia es discutida por los especialistas. Aparece en 1939 en el sello 368 I y recientemente se habría descubierto en el 395 (en la tabla lo llamamos 395 I provisoriamente). El sol es redondo de 10 mm. de diámetro medio o bien ligeramente ovalado 10x10,5mm y el eje de enrollamiento es perpendicular al renglón de RA, letras que no se unen por la base.
A mild lustre is indeed visible on the front of the 5c Moreno! But it is also VERY clear that there is NO trace of coating! Apply the Silver test!un leve brillo característico de los satinados,..
That mild lustre is what I thought to see after the description made by Dario Bardi in the 2008 Clasificacion. But having just now another look at them, I can barely see the lustre AND as I said there is a lot more of lustre, brille, sheen in other stamps around 1939 like the example of the 2 1/2c Braille I gave!Rein escribió:A mild lustre is indeed visible on the front of the 5c Moreno! But it is also VERY clear that there is NO trace of coating! Apply the Silver test!un leve brillo característico de los satinados,..
But, do also have a good look at the earliest 1935/1936 definitives in the so-called MI1 or 1E1 papers!!! There is practically ALWAYS some lustre - mainly in the grooves of the fibres but also in between and occasionally we see more lustre [the 2 1/2c Braille] than in our "mate lustroso" of the 5c Moreno!
ortho = orthogonal watermarkRein' 26 Sep 2009 09:45 escribió:
J.R. Merlo, on the other hand called this type of paper "satinado":
Why does he state - and Bardi does that as well- that there no other stamps with this type of paper??? Although
Merlo does compare it to the paper of the 1940 Panamerican Union and the 1941 LAvalle stamps!?
1940 14.04 50 year Panamerican Union ortho - symm. photogravure
1941 19.10 Julio A. Roca ortho - symm. c/v photogravure
1941 26.10 Banco de la Nación ortho - symm. photogravure
1941 05.12 Lavalle ortho - symm. photogravure
All in photogravure! All without coating but for the Roca stamps! All have the orthogonal watermark, all with symmetrical paper wire, so it is not so strange to compare them... Mello Teggia mentions only the Roca stamp to have been coated, G.J.'09 also call the Banco stamp to be coated! In fact - that is my observation so far - only MT is right. No coating for the 3 series! What is there to be seen is the VARNISH!
A coating + varnish do have the 1939 UPU Congress stamps and the 1941 Roca.
To be added to the 3 series of potential "mate lustroso" is the 1940 23.10 Airmail defintives set!
Also to be considered are the offset-litho:
1939 02.10 Panamerican Housing Congress ortho - symm
1941 03.10 Avellaneda ortho - symm.
But then Merlo is against the Avellaneda's:
And do not forget: what Merlo calls 'Ingles II '" others - amongst them GJ.'09 - call it "holandés"!!!
