estudio de los papeles de PyR I (hasta 2010)

[Rein]

The coated papers for the PyR I series are not quite explained so far. The earliest in 1939 for the typography 5c and then a big gap till 1943...

In the commemoratives in the 1935-1944 period there are only the 4th of June 1943 revolution stamps issued in July already! The 3 stamps [5c, 15c, 20c] have a coated paper that shows at the front a pattern of horizontal bars. The watermark is supposed to have a multiple sun + AЯ - it does! - but I do not expect anybody to have checked it really as you can barely see it. Just trust your favourite catalogue be it Samowerskyj or Petrovich or Tello Meggia....











As we can see the watermark is orthogonal (line of AЯ horizontal ; direction of paper vertical hence perpendicular or orthogonal) and the paper wire is asymmetrical [see the horizontal lines!].

The 1941-1944 commemoratives had 2 types of paper:

- parallel, symmetrical wire with a loose web: 24/20 lines hor./vert. described by Dario A. Bardi as "tela"
- orthogonal, symmetrical wire with a tight web: 30/20 lines hor./vert. WRONGLY described as "rayos rectos"!

I have seen NO other type of paper so far for the commemoratives. The 1945-1947 period has only unwatermarked paper!

Reprints from 1948 and later can show the so-called "straight-rays" or "Rayos Rectos" that have not so much straighter rays than the other watermarks but rather a slighty longer diagonal rays.... Much more important to recognize this is the whitish appearance from the back of stamp [no gum to annoy us, please!] and the almost shaven character of the paper surface - you get the impression to see inside the paper itself! If the surface of the back is completely smooth, equal, then you have a different type of paper at hand... And the R.R. have a asymmetrical wire as well...

Reprints [?] of the 5c red of the June Revolution set - in the same year already - have uncoated paper - referred to a "mate" in Argentinean catalogues - with 2 options:


Symmetrical wire and orthogonal watermark:



Symmetrical wire and parallel watermark, coarse lines 24/20 also know as "tela":



Both completelty in line with the types of paper of the 1941-1944 period

[Rein]

The catalogization of the 5c Moreno in the Mello Teggia drives me crazy and I have only just started! I am expecting even more confusion when digging into the 10c Rivadavia I suppose

Reading the 1979 Samowerskyj it is obvious that whatever was thought to be true about certain stamps is copied year after year without really a critical look!

as to the 5c Moreno, no changes in 30 years!

The 5c Moreno can be found under the following cryptocodes:

368 - ???? litografiado ???
368I - tipografiado; papel mate lustroso
368IX - tipografiado; papel tizado; castaño claro

How do I recognize them??? Is anybody able to tell the difference between 368 and 368I??? Recognizing the coated paper maybe not that difficult

As to the Servico Oficial versions they all have the 12mm "overprint":

368 - litografiado
368I - tipografiado
-- - litografiado; rayos rectos
-- - litografiado; sin filigrana

The 2 last variants do not exist without the Servicio Oficial as it was a NEW printing in a bi-coloured offset-litho.

[Rein]

Chronologically, we should find:

In offset-litho, only 1 printing order made in 1935: parallel watermark, symmetrical paper wire = 1E1.

In typography the first printing order (tiraje) [consisting of 12 separate printings (impresión), starting with 19.03.1937]: parallel watermark, symmetrical paper wire = 1E1.

According to Leopoldo Tenorio Casal in his article "Valores tipografiados y estereotipados de la Emisión Postal Argentina Emitida desde 1935" the second printing order of the 5c in typography started 03.04.1939. It did consist of 6 printings. Some of them for booklet-panes (20.10.1939). The paper was supposed to be coated [tizado] and originating from the 1st production. What does that mean???? The first production???

The 3rd printing order of 24.03.1940 in typography was on normal paper, amarfilado [ivory?] in 3 printings: orthogonal watermark, symmetrical paper wire = 1E4. Bardi calls this type of paper "mate lustroso".

A 4th printing order of 06.09.1943 consisted of 5 printings, some of them for booklet-panes. The paper was supposed to be coated [tizado] and originating from the 3rd production. What does that mean???? The third production??? When was the second production????

As in 1945 the 5c José de san Martin appeared, there wasn't much time for more printings. At least not for printings in offset-litho!

However, several printing orders must have been made for the bi-coloured, offset-litho printed stamps with "Servicio Oficial". They have not been described by D.A. Bardi though......

[rubiera]

El 5c1E1t-SO y el 5c1E3-SO

El primer 5c Moreno 'Servicio Oficial' proviene de 1938 y esta impreso sobre el papel 1E1 tipografiado, algo comun nuevo, pero no tan comun usado.



Aqui esta cancelado en 1938.



Esta es una impresion de la plancha sucia.



El segundo 5c Moreno 'Servicio Oficial' es tipo offset sobre el papel 1E3.



Aqui esta una variedad de plancha.

[rubiera]

El 1E4 5c Moreno 'Servicio Oficial'

Esta impresion es la mas comun de las cinco impresiones 'Servicio Oficial.' El papel 1E4 parece tela. Estos sellos tienen agujeros de perforacion peque~nos.



Con O de 'SERVICIO' deformada.







Con segunda impresion como sombra.





Fechada 1944.



No conozco esta marca postal.

[rubiera]

El 2D Rayos Rectos difusos 5c 'Servicio Oficial'

Este sello solo existe con esta sobrecarga. No es tan comun, y algunas de las impresiones son sucias.





Menos comun es el sello con impresion limpia. Este tiene variedad a la L de 'Oficial'

[rubiera]

El NGR 5c Moreno 'Servicio Oficial'

Este sello recibio poco uso postal. La mayoria de los que tengos son nuevos.

Impresion limpia.



Descolorida, tipica.



L de 'Oficial' alargada.

[rubiera]

El 5c 1E1 de 1935





El 1E1 tipografiado de 1937





El 1E4 de libritos



El primer tizado de 1939



El segundo tizado de 1943

[Rein]

El 1E4 5c Moreno 'Servicio Oficial'

Esta impresion es la mas comun de las cinco impresiones 'Servicio Oficial.' El papel 1E4 parece tela. Estos sellos tienen agujeros de perforacion peque~nos.

Tony,

thanks for bringing all these scans to one place again!

What you show here is definitely an offset-litho, it may seem even to be "tela" - do you have a scan of the back?

But the combination of 1E4 and "tela" is not likely as 1E4 is always an orthogonal watermark and "tela" always a parallel one!

[Rein]

How do we tell the 1935 1E1 in offset-litho and the 1937 1E1 in typography apart??? The latter one is not even mentioned in MT; the fact that the first issue is in offset-litho hadn't been mentioned either!

1935 offset-litho:





1937 typography:





The corners of the typography are almost always leaking and having some sharp points; the offset-litho on the other hand is smooth:





The offset-litho has delicate dots and lines; the typography has rough dots and lines and is usually rather irregular as the ink seems to be wandering whereever it wants to!

[Rein]

1940 typography on paper with an orthogonal watermark. All earlier 5c stamps without coating had been printed on paper with a parallel watermark. According to Dario A. Bardi - who does mention the parallel watermarkin typography in his overall table - an uncoated paper had been used that shows some shiny spots and is referred to by Bardi as "mate lustroso". I do not have a mint copy but indeed in the used copies you may see some remnants of a varnish [barnizado]. What is more important is that the watermark is orthogonal with a vertical direction of paper so the line of AR is horizontal instead of vertical as in the case of the parallel watermark :











Also according to mr. Bardi these stamps are the only imported papers with the transposed watermarks [filgranas traspuestas]. What is meant here is that the back of the stamp has the felt side of the paper and the front has the wire side. You can establish that yourself by closely looking at the surface of the back. It is very smooth as in most cases of the unwatermarked stamps [the "difusos" versus the "nitidos"].

The later watermarks that stem from the local paper mills have transposed watermarks predominantly! Practicallly everything from 1953 onwards has "traspuestas"!

The consequence of this all - and I haven't read that at Bardi's - is that the watermark has AR on the dandy-roll instead of RA!!!!!

So generically we have the following watermarks:

1935 -parallel - RA on circumference of the dandy roll - equilateral triangle
1937 - orthogonal - RA along the axis of the dandy -roll - equilateral triangle
1940, 1953/57 - orthogonal - AЯ along the axis of the dandy-roll - equilateral triangle
1948 - orthogonal - RA along the axis of the dandy-roll - isoceles triangle - better known as "rayos rectos" or "rayos largos"

All 4 generical groups can be split up in sub-groups by measuring the diameters of the sun, the length of the rays, the other properties of the paper [wire, transposition, symmetry, UV-reaction, etc.].

[rubiera]

La goma de este sello no me permite ver la filigrana. Por el color de la goma me parece si puede ser sin filigrana del 45 (NGR), los cuales tienen goma blanca, pero de gomas no he estudiado lo suficiente para dar opinion decisiva.

saludos

tony

[zeus25971]

El que yo tengo sin filigrana, es bastante diferente al que mostras en el scaneo, la goma es la tipica del papel nacional, y si lo pones a trasluz, se ve MUY claramente el mallado. En cuanto a los colores coincide mucho con el que describe tony. De cualquier manera si lo revisaste con bencina y no se ve ..,....tiene que ser sin filigrana. Por las dudas miralo del lado de la goma variando el angulo con luz rasante ( el tizado grueso de 40c, que tengo con bencina no se ve pero si usas el metodo de la luz rasante si).

saludos
Luis

[Rein]

1E4 small format values for the Beginner's Collection

Some of the 'cents' values were printed on this paper in 1940. Interestingly, the 2 1/2 c stamp, which received almost no postal use, is found on this paper as well as the 1E3 paper!

Tony,

the small values with 1E4 are most likely mentioned by Dario Bardi in his 2008 Survey [Tabla General de la Serie] under Granulado vertical. The other orthogonal watermark in that period would have been 1E2 or "austriaco" !

Apart from the values you showed [2c, 2 1/2c, 3c grey, 12c] he mentions the 1c Sarmiento [both M/m], 4c Brown in green [M], the 10c type IV [M], the 15c Ganadria [both M/m], the 15c Guemes [M] and the 20c Guemes [M]. M meaning that the direction of paper is horizontal and the line of AЯ vertical [along the longer side], m meaning the direction of paper is vertical and the line of AЯ is horizontal [along the shorter side].

2c Urquiza:





2c Urquiza with S.O.:





3c JSM grey:





2c JSM grey with S.O.:





to be continued

[Rein]

All stamps have a horizontal direction of paper!

4c Brown in green





12c Mitre in red:





to be continued....