Foro de Filatelia Argentina

The red and the green indicated dots repeat alternately; the blue ones are in every stamp!



The dot belongs to the back-ground colour:



The slash belongs to the back-ground colour:

En estas comparaciones encuentro que el Tipo I es el largo, y el Tipo II es el corto. No encuentro ningun Tipo II largo!



Con los bordes de hoja:





El 'Servicio Oficial' es Typo II.

Tony,

still Tenorio maintains that 3 plates of the "tipograficas" exist! The first I understood being type I, the later 2 being type II. After that / Simulteneously the stereotyped plates had been made for the Goebel reel-fed printing which show the vertical bars at the bottom margin.

Can you show us a picture of a complete sheet??? Both of type I and type II

Rein

Then there is no Type II of the same height as the Type I, and the three types are the ones shown here with their respective selvage. About the 30c, here is the content of an earlier post (august of 2008):

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Entonces quedamos en que las tres planchas son las que he mostrado aqui con bordes de hoja y el Tipo II no existe largo como el Typo I.

Encuentro una variedad que ha primera vista parece pertencer al color del fondo, pero con sellos a mano desplazados he determinado que es una variedad al marco, y me parece es una variedad a uno de los cliches usados para producir la plancha por lo comun que la encuentro.





Lo encuentro facilmente en los 1E1 de 1936.

Tony,

this is great!

The bow of dots at the top right corner? In which horizontal row does it occur???

Rein

I don't know because all I have are singles....that is why your Departmental blocks are so useful. I wouldn't mind if you sent me scans of these.

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No se donde pertencen estas variedades....y esta es la razon por la cual sus bloques de Departamentos son tan valiosos. Me gustaria recibir escans de estos.

saludos

tony

Tony,


I hope the scans did arrive!?

I found a tiny, little dot - underneath the "I" of Argentina in all 1peso no-borders stamps.

as to the 30c it looks like we need to establish the basic characteristics of 10 [=2x5] stamps that get repeated. When you have an isolated stamp and discover a characteristic that you have seen on another solitary stamp, you do not know on beforehand whether it is a characteristic that only occurs once (1x) in a sheet or 10 times [or more!]

The 1peso without borders has a few characteristics that I have seen more than once, but I do not know whether this occurs only once or more often





Both options are open as a second brown dot is in the margins above 'A A"!

The tiny dot underneath the "I ":

The 5pesos also has a characteristic that at first sight seen to occur more often!







They are similar but not the same!

Rein,

Nice find for the 1 peso no boundaries, I will have to check my selection. The 5 pesos plate varieties you mention and others I discuss here:

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My all time favorite is the long line in background variety, which is almost impossible to find

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Que bueno que tengo otra variedad de plancha a buscar en mi seleccion del 1 peso sin limites. Las variedades de plancha del 5 peso las mantengo aqui:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... rs-5P.html

Mi favorita es la que tiene una linea en el centro, imposible de encontrar a simple vista

Tony,

we do have a terminology problem now as the traditonal "plate flaw" [variedad de plancha] is not always the adequate term for it.

It should be OK to use that for a characteristic that only occurs once on the printing plate [cylinder] but when it occurs repetitively within a printing sheet?

The term type will come close but is also not adequate as it refers to differences in design that occur in different printing forms used at the same time or subsequently. That is within the printing form there is only 1 version of that type.

It looks now that we have 10 subtypes for each of our beloved PyR I 's!!

A nice job to describe them all 10 for each value.

I can try to do that for the 30c Lanas and you may do the same having the scans. In one block the dot in the right top corner is in a row on top and in the other block it is at the bottom - so both blocks cover 9 horizontal rows of the counter sheet.....

Nestor,

the terminology is dependent on the method of printing. We should know the method of printing first.

Lithography is different from offset-litho, and within for instance photogravure there are several developments since 1914 that hardly any philatelist knows about.

So we can NOT have a unified terminology for all printing methods. Philatelist got accustomed to the terms that were OK in the 1920-ies when we still had lithography and typography of separate types "tied together" on a flat plate, recess from copper engraved plates, etc...

Using the old terms for later developments may lead to great misunderstandings. The term plate flaw is one of them.....

Philatelists should get used to the idea that most important is to get the quintessence of a certain method and then try to describe and give names to all the phenomena that go with it. Some may turn out to be a bit universal like the direction of printing thanks to the fact that printing ink tends to flow in a particular direction when coming from a cylindrical printing form. It was discovered in photogravure printed stamps but I found it in recess-printng as well and even [or quite rightly so] in offset-litho. This phenomenon of the ink flowing in a particular direction is quite often mistaken for double impression or re-entries.....

Nestor, Rein

It is true that I always refer to plate varieties, but it is true that we have two types of plate varieties:

1. Master die varieties that are a special, repetitive type of plate variety.
2. plate varieties that are not repetitive in the sheet, and occur in the plate after it has been made.

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Es verdad que siempre me refiero a variedades de plancha, pero es verdad que tenemos dos tipos:

1. Variedades de plancha proveniented del cliche patron, o maestro, las cuales son variedades de plancha especiales, y se encuentran repetidas en la plancha.
2. variedades de plancha (no repetitivas, que ocurren en la plancha despues de que ha sido confeccionada.

saludos

tony

The 25c also has a few characteristics that may be occuring only once per sheet I assume: