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1909:



1936:



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Michael D escribió:Hallo,

der Scotts Weltkatalog von 1849 kennt auch noch beide Varianten.



Viele Grüße
Michael

Scott did not have it separately, and that is why in the Americas it is not known???


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buzones escribió:Hallo Rein,

interessanterweise gibt auch das Kohl-Handbuch in der 11. Auflage von 1926 die Information, dass der 12c-Wert der Ausgabe 1882/83 bei BW in London auch im Tiefdruckverfahren hergestellt wurde (gez. 14), "zusätzlich" zur Buchdruckausgabe.

Ab 1884 sollen dann alle Werte im Tiefdruck bei der ABNC in New York, in Zähnung 12, hergestellt worden sein.

Anbei ein Scan der betreffenden Stelle. Man beachte auch den Literaturhinweis auf den London Philatelist von 1908!

The Kohl-Handbook of 1926 does refer to the Pantograph process for the typographed stamps! It does mention the recess printing for the 12c! Also with the Pantograph?!

Note, the reference to a sheet-perforation 12! Not a comb-perforation?!

to be continued ...

Rein,
It seems nobody here read that catalog, notwithstanding in that epoch we already had a German Philatelic Society of which Bose
was an outsanding member.
José

DEJA VU?

Rein, seems you forgot you already covered this topic some time ago: viewtopic.php?f=137&t=4087

And then your conclusions were similar but not identical:

Rein escribió:Scott did not have it separately, and that is why in the Americas it is not known???

It did have it separately as recess, but only in older editions. You even forgot that you found out about this in a Scott catalog for the very first time (check again that old thread).

Jorge,

you are right! Two years ago1

But this is not just about the 12c! It is the start for more!

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Rein escribió:But this is not just about the 12c! It is the start for more!

What exactly do you mean? Do you mean that, according to your opinion, other values besides the 12c of the Bradbury set were also printed using recess ? Or are you talking about something else?

How long will it take to accept that the 12c greenish blue by Bradbury WIlkinson had NOT been printed in typography but in recess!?

I mentioned it several times:

in 2010 - http://foro.filateliaargentina.org/view ... 137&t=4087

in 2012 - http://foro.filateliaargentina.org/view ... 137&t=7596





detail of my copy:



This much neglected stamp has been the subject of a long tradition of philatelists NOT using their eyes or magnifying glasses but having an unbroken belief in what has been written in successive catalogues for more than 120 years now from one copy-cat to another:





Can we not see the delicate lines of engraving in the scroll of "Argentina" and the nerves of the leaves ?





Can we not see the first horizontal line not touching the branch in the upper right corner??? or the delicate parallelogrammes in between the sun-rays??

In the GJ '09 catalogue on the pages 55-57 we find the "Dibujo de una carta" typographed by Bradbury Wilkinson, London; the numbers 63+65 refer to the 12c ultramar that is to have the "sin colita" in 10 out of the 100 stamps of a sheet.

If the number 66 12c azul verdoso would be just a different colour, the use of a different ink whilst still with the same plates, the colita would be there as well. And of course there would NOT be the pointed-out above differences, wouldn't it??

Even if you can not belief that the azul verdoso was printed in recess by Bradbury Wilkinson; and even if you can not find evidence in the Archives, then still the many differences in design between the 12c ultramar and the 12c azul verdoso deserve to be mentioned....

in 2012 Otin [José Ramon Merlo] wrote:



In the Senff catalogues:

1909:



1936:

From Buzones to Rein:

Hallo Rein,

interessanterweise gibt auch das Kohl-Handbuch in der 11. Auflage von 1926 die Information, dass der 12c-Wert der Ausgabe 1882/83 bei BW in London auch im Tiefdruckverfahren hergestellt wurde (gez. 14), "zusätzlich" zur Buchdruckausgabe.

Ab 1884 sollen dann alle Werte im Tiefdruck bei der ABNC in New York, in Zähnung 12, hergestellt worden sein.

Anbei ein Scan der betreffenden Stelle. Man beachte auch den Literaturhinweis auf den London Philatelist von 1908!

The Kohl-Handbook of 1926 does refer to the Pantograph process for the typographed stamps! It does mention the recess printing for the 12c! Also with the Pantograph?!

Note, the reference to a sheet-perforation 12! Not a comb-perforation?!