The Manual - G.A. Pettigiani - 2010

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The 1 Peso Mapa con limites in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 01.01.1936 "c" for both


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The 1 Peso Mapa sin limites in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 "M" 01.02.1937 "c" for both
MI 2 "m" 1937 "c" for both
MI 3 1940 "c" for both
MI 4 1944/45 not in Bardi, "R" for Pettigiani
MI 5 1950 "R" for both; also exist with "trama difusa" (1944)
RR 2 "M" January 1949 "c" for both
RR 2 "m" "c" for both
TI 2 1943 "R" for both
SF 1 April 1945 "c" for both
SF 2 "R" for both
SF 3 1947 "R" for both; also the Canadian version exist ("RR")

* "M" = direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp; "m" parallel to the short side of the stamp.

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The 1 Peso mapa sin limites in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

MI 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
MI 2 with Servicio Oficial ???
MI 3 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
MI 4 with Servicio Oficial ???
MI 5 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
RR 2 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
TI 2 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
SF 2 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho- 11mm
SF3 with Servicio Oficial ??


to be continued ....
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Re: The Manual - G.A. Pettigiani - 2010

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Rein escribió:Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it,
...
It is obvious in this survey that Pettigiani has not studied the 50c S.O. and that most likely the listing of the Servicio Oficial had been a last-minute decision to fill up a few pages
Mr Rein, what it is obvious to me, is that you are showing a total disrespect for Pettigiani's work. It is ok to post some critical comments about his book, but you are here writing an extremely long thread, that is constantly bashing him and his work.

Please, at least once, be positive and stop being negative. Do you want to write a long study about PyR I? Great, you have a lot of knowledge and it could be very useful. But don't write a bible "about everything that is wrong in Pettigani's book".
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jorgec escribió:
Rein escribió:Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it,
...
It is obvious in this survey that Pettigiani has not studied the 50c S.O. and that most likely the listing of the Servicio Oficial had been a last-minute decision to fill up a few pages
Mr Rein, what it is obvious to me, is that you are showing a total disrespect for Pettigiani's work. It is ok to post some critical comments about his book, but you are here writing an extremely long thread, that is constantly bashing him and his work.

Please, at least once, be positive and stop being negative. Do you want to write a long study about PyR I? Great, you have a lot of knowledge and it could be very useful. But don't write a bible "about everything that is wrong in Pettigani's book".
Jorge,

this is a misunderstanding! I started out with saying Pettigiani did a great job, and that I wanted to make comments where necessary. Most of my comments are rather mild or I am just underlining the differences between Dario Bardi's work - which Pettigiani is ignoring! - and that of Pettigiani. On the whole Pettigiani is more detailed and covering a lot more than Bardi. That is very positive I would say.

Ignoring someone's work is more offensive that criticising it where necessary. The passage that you refer to is not so mild - I agree but it is a just one as ONE of the advantages of Pettigiani's book above Bardi's is supposed to be the inclusion of the Servicio Oficial. And it'd better be good and be prepared for criticism.

I am not bashing the book or its author. I wished the author had had access to this Foro - I can understand the language barriere but I am sure that some of the Foreros here would have been able to point out to the Author that there would have been a lot to be gained by reading some of the postings [or had them translated].

A Manual like Pettigiani's is a kind of work that should set the standard of today's knowledge and where it invites criticism this should merely concern minor aspects. Unfortunately there are quite some points of severe criticism that could have been avoided.

What is obvious to me is that apart from a language barriere there is a cultural one. To say it bluntly and over-generalizing: placing everybody with a knowledge above average on a high pedestal and declare him impeccable. * ... In the culture where I live no one is an authority without having to prove himself constantly....

I am often accused of posting an absolute truth here not knowing the achievements of others. Maybe you could have said that 15 months ago, but now I have read most of the authoritive works that were available to me from DeLuca, through Kneitschel, Tenorio Casal, Klass, Merlo, Solari, Bardi to Pettigiani .... Should I have missed someone I will be glad to get to know that as well!

When you think I am factually wrong on some points, show it to me, give me arguments and I will not be stubborn forever not accepting that someone could have it more right than me.

I am NOT bashing anyone! I am just critical of the works of Bardi - as I did earlier this year - and now I am dealing with Pettigiani's work.

I realize the cultural differences may let you suspect me of disrespect, but you are WRONG!




* of course I did mean "infallible" :)
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The 1 Peso Mapa con Antartida in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 5 02.05.1951 "c" for both; also exist with "trama difusa"
MI 6 1952 "c" for both
TI 6 October 1952 "c" for both
ZA 1 1953 "c" for both
ZA 2 1956 "c" for both


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The 1 Peso mapa con Antartida in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

MI 6 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
ZA 1 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
ZA 2 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm not in Pettigiani

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The 2 Pesos Fruticultura in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 "M" 01.01.1936 "c" for both
MI 1 "m" "RRR" for both
MI 2 1937 "R" for both
MI 3 1940 "RR" for both
MI 4 1941 "R" for both; also exist with "traslucido"
MI 5 1944-1950 "c" for both
MI 6 1951 "c" for both
RR 2 "M" February 1949 "R" for both
RR 2 "m" "R" for both
TI 2 1943 "RR"for both
TI 6 1952 "c" for both
ZA 1 1953 "c" for both
ZA 2 1956/57 "c" for both
SF 1 April 1945 "c" for both
SF 2 "c" for both
SF 3 "R" for both

* "M" = direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp; "m" parallel to the short side of the stamp.

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The 2 Pesos Fruticultura in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
ZA 1 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm
ZA 2 with Servicio Oficial in offset-litho - 11mm


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The 5 Pesos Cataratas in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 01.01.1936 "R" for both
MI 3 1940 "R" for both
MI 4 1941 "R" for both
MI 5 1944 "R" for both
MI 6 1951 "c" for both
RR 2 "m" October 1949 "R" for both
SF 1 March 1946 "R" for both
SF 3 1949 "R" for both; also the Canadian version exist ("RR")

* "M" = direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp; "m" parallel to the short side of the stamp.

to be continued ....
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The 5 Pesos Cataratas in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 2 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm

to be continued ....
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The 10 Pesos Vitivinicultura in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 01.01.1936 "R" for both
MI 2 1937 "R" for both
MI 3 1940 "R" for both
MI 4 1941 "R" for both
MI 5 1944/45 "R" for both
MI 6 1951 "c" for both
SF 1 August 1946 "R" for both
SF 3 1949 "R" for both; also the Canadian version exist ("RR")

* "M" = direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp; "m" parallel to the short side of the stamp.

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The 10 Pesos Vitivinicultura in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 2 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm

to be continued ....
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The 20 Pesos Algodon in offset-litho

Types of paper and their first use [according to Pettigiani] and their relative scarceness:

MI 1 01.01.1936 "R" for both
MI 2 1937 "R" for both
MI 3 1940 "R" for both
MI 6 1951 "c" for both
TI 2 1945/46 "RR" for both
SF 1 1945 "R" for both
SF 3 1947 "R" for both; also the Canadian version exist ("RR")

* "M" = direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp; "m" parallel to the short side of the stamp.

to be continued ....
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The 20 Pesos Algodon in offset-litho - Servicio Oficial


Sometimes the "Servicio Oficial" had been printed in offset-litho sometimes in typography. Pettigiani does not mention anything about it, although A. Fredy Yedro did mention these printing methods in his articles....

Types of paper:

SF 1 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 2 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm
SF 3 with Servicio Oficial in typography - 12mm

to be continued ....
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