Tela - the English paper 1941-1945 symm 24/20
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The last of the commemorative postage stamps with "Tela" 24/20 gauges; diagonal lines at 50 and -50 degrees - symmetrical paper wire - paralell watermark - direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp ("M"):
1944 01.12 Reservists Day:
1944 01.12 Reservists Day:
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During the 1941-1944 period apart from the commemoratives, this type of paper has also been used for several definitives of the PyR I series. We will follow them step by step!
In the text of the 2008 Clasificacion we find the following explanatory text about the Tela:
In the text of the 2008 Clasificacion we find the following explanatory text about the Tela:
The two types of the Tela "marcada" and 'traslúcida" may be a farther step in specialization but I haven't met them so far. The (4) refers to the 25c Labrador and the 40c Azucar.1.4. Tela
Este papel, de procedencia inglesa, se caracteriza porque presenta un entramado similar al de una tela (de ahí su nombre). En los sellos usados mirados del reverso, por lo general se observa claramente la trama. Como es frecuente confundir este papel con el Rayado Vertical que luego veremos, se recomienda mirar los sellos en la dirección perpendicular al renglón de RA (se ve una textura rayada, como si se tratara de surcos en la tierra), luego en la otra (se ven en la superficie del papel surcos 8 discontinuos pero marcados) y finalmente mirado en una posición diagonal, se ve el entrecruzado característico de la trama. En los sellos con goma, hay que trabajar con bencina aunque a veces alcanza con mirarlos al trasluz. Los soles varían entre redondos y levemente ovalados en dirección vertical con diámetros promedio de 9,7 x 10,2 mm.- y con letras RA que se unen por la base.- Debido a la existencia simultánea de dos tipos de rayado (perpendicular y paralelo al renglón de RA), el eje de enrollamiento no nos sirve para identificar este papel. Sellos representativos para estudiar este papel son los Nos. 416 y 418 del Catálogo.
Cabe aclarar que existen dos tipos, uno llamado tela marcada (grueso, opaco) utilizado entre los años 1941 y 1945 y otro llamado tela traslúcida (poroso), del año 1944. En algunos sellos aparecen ambos (No 376) y en otros solo uno (No 363). Los consignados en la tabla son en tela marcada y se individualizan con la llamada (4) cuando aparecen también en tela traslúcida)
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1.4. Fabric
This paper is of English origin and it is characterized by a mesh similar to that of a cloth (hence its name). Looking at the stamps at the back, this usually becomes clear. As often this paper gets confused with the Vertical Striped as we shall see, it is recommended to watch the stamps in the direction perpendicular to the line of RA (striped texture looks as if it were gouges in the earth), then the other (seen in the paper surface but marked discontinuous grooves) and finally looked in a diagonal position, is the characteristic crisscross the mesh. In the gummed stamps, you have to work with benzene but sometimes is it enough to look at the light. The suns ranging from round and slightly oval in the vertical direction with average diameters of 9.7 x 10.2mm .- letters of RA join at the base .- Due to the simultaneous existence of two types of lines (perpendicular and parallel to the line of RA), the direction of paper does not help us to identify this paper. Stamps representative to study this paper are the Nos. 416 and 418 of the catalogue.
It should be noted that there are two types, one called marked fabric (thick, opaque) used between 1941 and 1945 and another called translucent (porous), 1944. Some stamps have both (not 376) and others only one (No 363). Those entered in the table are marked with the (4) when they also appear in translucent material)
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Judging from this fragment of the Tabla-General the existence of the Tela paper has not been established yet for the 1c DF Sarmiento, the 10c Rivadavia type III and the 20c M. Güemes:
It should be found for the 1/2c, the 2c, the 3c San Martin in grey, the 10c type IV, the 12c vermillion, and the 15c Güemes in grey-blue.
The 10c offset-litho is a mess in the Argentinean literature so far and can be dealt with separately....
It should be found for the 1/2c, the 2c, the 3c San Martin in grey, the 10c type IV, the 12c vermillion, and the 15c Güemes in grey-blue.
The 10c offset-litho is a mess in the Argentinean literature so far and can be dealt with separately....
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The 1/2 ct M. Belgrano with Tela:
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The 2 ct J.J. de Urquiza with Tela:
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The 3 ct J.de San Martin in grey with Tela:
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The 5c Mariano Moreno in offset-litho with a parallel watermark, a symmetrical paper mesh:
The direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp "M":
The direction of paper parallel to the long side of the stamp "M":
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The 10 ct B. Rivadavia in offset-litho in brown with Tela:
type A:
type B:
type A:
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It is easy to confuse Tela with the asymmetrical paper mesh + parallel watermark! Tela has a symmetrical paper mesh and you can tell by the diagonal lines; they are not that steep as the lines of the asymmetrical paper wire! Watch the blue lines!
The 10ct Rivadavia brown with asymmetrical paper mesh:
The 10ct Rivadavia brown with asymmetrical paper mesh:
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The 12 ct B. Mitré with Tela:
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The 15c M. Güemes is suppoesed to exist on Tela as well. As this stamp got issued - as with the 20c Toro Grande - on 20.08.1942 the most likkely candidate for paper types is the Rayos rectos difusos and that is what we find! Allthough the Tela had been used for the commemoratives throughout 1941-1945. Tela for the 15c is poosible, but judging by the catalogue prices not so easy to be found!
Tela had always a symmetrical paper mesh whereas Rayado Vertical is asymmetrical. Both can be confused if you do not pay attention to that symmetry aspect!
The 15c however does exist with Rayado Vertical but only in the S.O. edition!
Tela had always a symmetrical paper mesh whereas Rayado Vertical is asymmetrical. Both can be confused if you do not pay attention to that symmetry aspect!
The 15c however does exist with Rayado Vertical but only in the S.O. edition!
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The diagonals appear to be steeper and asymmetrical!SIR GOMEZ » 12 Jul 2010 23:21 escribió:
Estimado, con quien le va la cosa me gustaria saber su opinión con respecto a este sello y su clasificación:
El mismo es un MI 4 - MATE IMPORTADO TELA, FILIGRANA RA paralela al Lado M Invertida, es decir Posición 2 pata Arriba, (posición 1 es la normal) que opinan le acerte o erre el camino jajaja. Esta es la nomenclatura según Bardi.
Que otra catalogación tiene este sello...???
Que otros datos me pueden pasar que no lo haya visto.
Saludos: Sir Gomez
Lana 50 c. Mate Importado TELA
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The 35ct Post Office Telecomunicaciones with Tela:
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Tela or MI4 [according to Dario Bardi] and 1E3c [according to Tony Rubiera]:
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The 20ct Toro Grande with Tela: