P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

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P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor rubiera » 20 Jun 2010 08:42

These printings are from the 1950s, and there are at least three major groups, all easily separated by the changes to BOTH colors. This stamp has several easy-to-spot plate varieties. Here is a page:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... rs-5P.html

There is a plate variety that is almost impossible to spot:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... -line.html

It has a long horizontal scratch to the central design.

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Note that the line ends at the denomination box.

This following variety has a long scratch across the palm.

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There are other minor scratches to the late issues plate.
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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor rubiera » 20 Jun 2010 15:11

Looks like there is only one of these in the plate, and because it shares a scratch upper rite with a more common variety of the same era, it is possible that this is a very late state of the plate. The watermark looks like the 1L3, with square RA.

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It has the following flaws

Period upper left edge

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Small scratch below 'REPUBLICA'

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The scratch it shares with a more common plate variety

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And another scratch, this one in the background...truly a great plate variety

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Negative image of the scratch to the background plate

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http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor rubiera » 20 Jun 2010 18:30

I do not find any of the common 5P1L-issued in the 1950s-plate varieties on the 5P2C-issued in 1949. Here is the one variety I find in the batch of 25 I just received. I do find a second specimen with this plate variety in this sample.

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http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 07:47

Tony,

I doubt whether there is a 5p at all that has NOT the yellow over blue! It is like the 50c - take the coated SO and it is obvious, but all the other 50c have the background colour over the design! Probably the same with the 25c!

Below 3 stamps - each with 2 details - on paper with an orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and direction of paper horizontal - Bardi 's 'rayado horizontal - M':

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:00

As to the different plates for the 5p:

- 1st plate - with all the clouds of bluish dots
- 2nd plate - somewhat larger design - for the no watermarks -
- 3rd plate - smaller just like the 1st plate - with all the scratches!

rubiera » 16 Dec 2009 07:09 escribiste:Rein,

I am not convinced yet that most if not all 5p have the background plate on top. If you look at the specimen I have shown, it is completely different to the other specimens we have.

About the plates, there is a variety I have shown that can be used to verify your statement.

This is what I meet with this plate variety:

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From the first paper on - and it is quite comnon among the few I have - I guess it is one of the root block varieties. I do not see it among the 2C stamps nor on the after 1949 stamps,so we may as well have 2 plates.

Here they are:

1E1

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1E4

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On cover in 1943.

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No watermark, dated 1947, NGR.

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No watermark, opaque, NOP, dated 1949?

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saludos

Tony


Tony,

this variety belongs to the first green plate; for the blue colour there are at least 3 plates been used. The 1Lx papers do not have it! There is no Zárate!
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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:03

I mentioned 3 plates for the 5p, maybe I was too enthousiastic!

I found 3 stamps -all 1E1 - to have more or less the characteristic Tony describes but with a lot of blue dots that I would have otherwise considered accidental "frying specks"!



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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:05

vicariasca escribiste:más de cerca para que se vea el corte


Alejandra,

your broken frame under Turismo had been mentioned by Tony already and is one of the 10 base block characteristics! Not just the broken frame but also the horizontal blue line! It belongs to the second [or third] plate of about 1951.

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:09

The last printings of the 5p - orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and a horizontal direction of paper, have the 2nd [or 3rd] - slightly decreased - plate for the blue colour with a lot of scratches and ruptures.

The first of them belonging to the base block of 5x2 - characteristic A:

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:11

The last printings of the 5p - orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and a horizontal direction of paper, have the 2nd [or 3rd] - slightly decreased - plate for the blue colour with a lot of scratches and ruptures.

The second of them belonging to the base block of 5x2 - characteristic B:

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:15

The last printings of the 5p - orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and a horizontal direction of paper, have the 2nd [or 3rd] - slightly decreased - plate for the blue colour with a lot of scratches and ruptures.

The third of them belonging to the base block of 5x2 - characteristic C:

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:17

The last printings of the 5p - orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and a horizontal direction of paper, have the 2nd [or 3rd] - slightly decreased - plate for the blue colour with a lot of scratches and ruptures.

The fourth of them belonging to the base block of 5x2 - characteristic D:

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor Rein » 22 Jun 2010 08:21

The last printings of the 5p - orthogonal watermark, asymmetrical paper mesh and a horizontal direction of paper, have the 2nd [or 3rd] - slightly decreased - plate for the blue colour with a lot of scratches and ruptures.

The fifth of them belonging to the base block of 5x2 - characteristic E:

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Re: P&R I 5 pesos Iguazu

Notapor rubiera » 20 May 2011 17:47

The 5p2C with 5pNOP colors

This is the first time I notice this stamp, and I doubt I have a second example....although I will look further. The colors are those of the NOP, but the paper is 2C, and luckily, the postmark matches 1949, a year consistent with normal use for the 5p2C.

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Here is a reference specimen for the 5pNOP. The colors are the same, but the paper is different.

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