Now we have several 1c Sarmiento that have been printed on rayado vertical [MI5/1L1] of 1950!
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![Imagen](http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/argentina/thumbs/arg_1935_1c_dfsarmiento_fakemin_asymm_para_M_0mg.jpg)
![Imagen](http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/argentina/thumbs/arg_1935_1c_dfsarmiento_fakemin_asymm_para_M_0mi.jpg)
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What they have in common is the round tops and the high "belly" of the "M"! Compare it with a real copy:
![Imagen](http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/argentina/thumbs/arg_1935_1c_dfsarmiento_notfakemin_asymm_para_M_0mji.jpg)
Moderador: Rein
rubiera escribió:These are great finds. I wonder why anyone would bother with a stamp dated 1953?
I have been looking at my selection and all I have look genuine. I wonder if these are from a European faker? I see the point of faking the faboluously rare 50c ones, but the others? I don't get it.
tony
I said it many times. Forgeries don't follow common sense. It is naive to believe, and will misguide you if you do, that only rare and expensive items are forged.rubiera escribió:These are great finds. I wonder why anyone would bother with a stamp dated 1953?
rubiera escribió:I see the point of faking the faboluously rare 50c ones,...
People, please be careful about this. Absolutely no stamp in this set is "fabulously rare"!Rein escribió:the Ministerials on the PyR I get prices in the GJ'09 ranging from 0.20-0.30 - practically all of them - at least the centavos values - ...Why are the prices in M.T. or G.J. so unrealistic???
Jorge,Jorgec escribió: People, please be careful about this. Absolutely no stamp in this set is "fabulously rare"!
Most stamps in this set are very common, and they deserve the minimum price in the catalog. There are, of course, a few scarce items, among them there is probably a single type that I would qualify as rare (but certainly not a rarity, and it is not any 50c stamp). Possibly some of these are a bit underpriced. But there are probably more over-priced ones. Especially in GJ that it seems that automatically, and wrongly, assumes that all 15c, 20c JMG, 1 Peso with limits, and 10c Type I, are rare.
Jorge,jorgec escribió:I said it many times. Forgeries don't follow common sense. It is naive to believe, and will misguide you if you do, that only rare and expensive items are forged.rubiera escribió:These are great finds. I wonder why anyone would bother with a stamp dated 1953?
I have all sort of forgeries. And I would say that I have more forgeries of common items, than rare ones. I have lots of forgeries of extremelly common types. I have forgeries of stamps that are much rarer and much more expensive without the overprint. I have forgeries that are so badly done, that nobody could be fooled, and you come to think that the forger never saw the original. Forgers do not follow common sense. Certainly not when talking about these overprints, which are far easier to make than a complete stamp forgery.
Tony,rubiera escribió:Jorge, Rein:
The key point here is that these stamps mint were not sold to collectors. Someone had to steal them....right? Or maybe the post office sold the remainders to dealers? In my opinion, the ones that served postal use are guaranteed to have been 'real stamps.' The regulars are another story. A mint 20p regular 1E1 (Ingles, 1936) cost someone a very dear 20 pesos in 1936, and that was serious money back then. And the regulars were sold to collectors but at full face value, not by the pound.
About rarity:
The 10cR I, 50c, and 1p (limits, without limits) I find to be rare mint.
These used are also very rare.....I am serious, I still only have one lousy 10c MG type I in very poor quality, and am missing the 3c M..M and the 1p MRC with limits, as well as 1 p MM without limits on 1E1 (Ingles, 1936) and 1E2 (Austriaco, 1937) , and almost all the others on 1E1 (Ingles, 1936).
If anyone has these, let me know....I need them.
Jorge:
paqueteria: packets
saludos
tony
I think this might be an interesting topic, if you want to start a debate about this, we might perhaps open a thread on the official sub-forum. But the point is, that most collectors, and the market, do not agree with this approach. Most collectors, right or wrong, don't care about this. And the catalogs are, at least in this case, correct in reflecting the prices accordingly.rubiera escribió:The key point here is that these stamps mint were not sold to collectors. Someone had to steal them....right? Or maybe the post office sold the remainders to dealers? In my opinion, the ones that served postal use are guaranteed to have been 'real stamps.' The regulars are another story. A mint 20p regular 1E1 (Ingles, 1936) cost someone a very dear 20 pesos in 1936, and that was serious money back then. And the regulars were sold to collectors but at full face value, not by the pound.
Hmm, you must be the first collector I found that would like catalog prices to be higher!Rein escribió:why be careful about it??? The catalogue makers have the monopoly of setting prices and with hardly any market, the prices remain at that level...
What is the value of a catalogue price??? I prefer to see higher prices so people jump out to sell their copies only to find out that there are enough of them on this small market!?![]()
Of course that fakes should not me mixed with genuine stamps. But being a collector specialized in the topic, I collect forgeries as well (obviously, separated from the genuine ones).I prefer to have as little fakes as possible in my collection...Answering my question?! Have you come across the type of fakes I was displaying???
I assume that there is a "some", or "most", word missing in that sentence. In which case it might be still a bit of an over-statement, but it would make some sense. I do hope you don't mean that all of them (all these types in all the 8 departments) are rare mint, because that would simply be not true.rubiera escribió:About rarity:
The 10cR I, 50c, and 1p (limits, without limits) I find to be rare mint.
The 10c MG Type I is a rare stamp, especially in unused condition, definitely the rarest in this set. And this is the only stamp that I would qualify as rare. There are others that are scarce, but not really very rare.These used are also very rare.....I am serious, I still only have one lousy 10c MG type I in very poor quality
Hmm, but most of these are varieties (M..M), or un-catalogued (the different papers) types. We can't mix the rarity of these "varieties" with the main types, otherwise we should also mention double and inverted overprints, in which case, of course, that there would be some quite rare items....and am missing the 3c M..M and the 1p MRC with limits, as well as 1 p MM without limits on 1E1 (Ingles, 1936) and 1E2 (Austriaco, 1937) , and almost all the others on 1E1 (Ingles, 1936). If anyone has these, let me know....I need them.