Print-spoiling paper in the 1975-1980 period

[Rein]

Stamp paper is supposed to support the quality of printing! Every self-respecting printing house bears that in mind! Not so in Argentina where during several years the quality of the printing had been lowered till an absolute minimum....

This occurred for years using a high-quality printing press - the German Goebel photogravure reel-fed rotary introduced late 1968 in the Casa de Moneda in Buenos Aires.

I noticed it for the first time seeing the semi-permanent definitives of 1977:

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Under the title "New way of photogravure printing since 1976 for definitives?" I published one of my first postings in the Argentina Foro on March 27, 2009 being a fresh collector of Argentina since February 2009!

and in detail:

The 20pesos is still in the tradtional photogravure! That is this printing ....



The 30pesos and 50pesos have the irregular screen ...

I had th eidea it had something to do with the method of printing [photogravure] but after quite some time - having studied the types of paper better - i cam e to the conclusion it had nothing to do with the printing!


It was the choice of paper! And it had been a deliberate choice!!!! But why???????

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[Rein]

The proof of using the same cylinders on different types of paper!

The traditionally etched blue and black cylinders:




the differently etched [?] or printed [?] cylinders:



The fly-specks both have!





And idem on a different stamp in black:

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[Rein]

The decline - using inferior stamp paper - started, however , a few years earlier!!

In the second half of 1975 a new type of paper got introduced - I call it chipwood surface - as it reminds you of chipwood board with the chips crossing each other irregularly!



I think it is obvious that with this type of surface of the stamp paper, the quality of the result cannot be that good!!!

Bear in mind that this type of paper - no matter whether Dario Bardi or Carlos Raul Gomez have assigned it a separate type of paper ! - is still considered a "tizado". It has a coating AND it is glossy! This in stark contrast with the paper I mentioned for the Postal Surfaces which is also coated [!!!!] but has no gloss whatsoever! Argentina Philately calls it "mate" while other printings of the same stamps are called "tizado"!

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[Rein]

Apparently in this time in Argentina there was terrible philatelic mess reading the article by José M. Rendo:







The Post Office issuing stamps in a disorder as to methods of printing [offset-litho or photogravure], watermarks [Casa de Moneda, no watermark] and luminescence [fluorescent or phosphorescent]......

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[Rein]

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[Rein]

What a mess!!!

And this had nothing to do with the mess around 1972/1973 using two different printing presses [reel-fed Goebel and sheet-fed Mailander] for photogravure and using both paper without watermark and paper with watermark Casa de Moneda...

That mess is still to be disassembled to make it clear for philatelists what to collect and how! See the Revista 230 article by Alberto Maizel!

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[Rein]

The catalogue publishers have an enormous problem in catalogizing the Argentina definitives! Spreading the same stamp design with different types of paper over the catalogue with considerable distances in main catalogue numbers does NOT help!

Distinguishing P&R II and III is not much of a help either and not at all when splitting up P&R II in 5 parts and P&R III in 3 parts as Göttig and Jalil are doing!

It may be true that the Post Office had her own ideas of what goes together and the currency laws have to be obeyed too! But this is philately and since the Post Office is (deliberately) making a mess we better invent our own rules! And keep it simple stupid! KISS!!!!

There may be a lot of postal history and legal arguments against it but I do assign the 3 types of the 20c G. Brown in violet to the first P&R! And probably the small-sized 5c Hernandez as well! If the two 35c Correos and the 5c José de San Martin of 1945 can be assigned to the P&R I, then why not the 20c and the 5c!?!?!

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[leonardoleidi]

Thank you for the scan!!

[Rein]

The chipwood paper was used mainly for the small-sized definitives in the period October 1975 - April 1976! The paper is rather thin - 80-90μ as against 100-110μ for the later papers. It is not so stiff either...

Only a few larger sized stamps were printed on this paper:

30c Congreso of 15.10.1975
50c Lujan of 30.10.1975
1p Bariloche of 01.10.1971 [dates of December 1975-March 1976]
5P Deer of 20.09.1974 [the ones with ink flowing to the left - dates of March 1976! The stamps with ink flowing to the right must have been an earlier printing!]











The 1p Bariloche was in use for more than 5 years! The one with the chipwood paper was printed on the reel-fed Goebel again!!!

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[Rein]

The small-sized stamps:

12c Numeral 26.05.1976
50c Numeral 02.08.1976
1p Numeral 26.05.1976
1p80 Belgrano 15.10.1975
3p Belgrano 19.07.1976
4p Numeral 15.03.1976
6p San Martin green 06.11.1975
6p Numeral 05.08.1976
10p Numeral 18.06.1976
12p San Martin green xx.08.1976
13p50 G. Brown 19.10.1975
27p Numeral 05.07.1976
40p Belgrano 05.08.1976
45p Numeral 13.06.1976
50p Numeral xx.12.1976
70p G. Brown 10.06.1976
100p Numeral 03.06.1976


















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[Rein]

Subject: Que le pasó a Brown?

Es común en esta emisión la mala calidad?

The Casa de Moneda preferred to use terribly bad quality paper during a few years - they liked to experiment a bit is a more polite way of saying it - and that is how they produced a lot of stamps like this 15p G. Brown

saludos, Rein

[Rein]

The base paper for the matt coated one turns out to have at least two paper wire structures!

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but the d-asymmetrical turned up for offset-litho as well:

The 5p in offset-litho uncoated [!] with the black colour printed first!





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[Rein]

The asymmetrical paper wire structure! The b-version:










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[Rein]

The asymmetrical paper wire structure! The d-version:















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[Rein]

The b-version of the 15p J. de San Martin:





The d-version of the 15p J. de San Martin:





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